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| Title | Edward Miyakawa Transcript Part 5 |
| Date | 2007-08-18 |
| Time Period | 2000-2009
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| Interviewee | Miyakawa, Edward |
| Interviewer | Uhlig, Elizabeth |
| Transcriber | Forgard, Ben |
| Subject | Japanese Americans
Interracial Adoption
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| Original Collection | Japanese-American Association of Lane Co., OR, Oral History Collection
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| Restrictions | Permission to use must be obtained from the Oregon Multicultural Archives, OSU Special Collections & Archives Research Center. |
| File Name | edward_miyakawa_part5.pdf |
| Language | English |
| Full Text | 1 Japanese-American Association of Lane County, Oregon - Oral History Collection Edward Miyakawa – Part 5 Date: August 18, 2007 Place: Edward Miyakawa's home Waldport, OR Length: 00:38:28 Interviewee: Edward Miyakawa Interviewer: Elizabeth Uhlig Transcriber: Ben Forgard Note: (sp?) means that words prior, mostly names, may be spelled incorrectly [00:00] [EU] This is part five of the interview with Ed Miyakawa. Ed, let's, uh, go back and talk a little bit about your family. You and your wife have adopted six children? [EM] Yes [EU] From many different countries? [EM] Yes [EU] [clears throat] um… could you talk a bit about that, who was the first one that you adopted, and how, how did the idea of adopting come about? [EM] Okay. Well, you know, when you get into it, your late 20s and early 30s and you're married and you don't have children, you know you [sigh] you feel like maybe this is an appropriate time to think about having a family. [clears throat] And so Mary and I, you know, couldn't, you know, she couldn't ever get pregnant, and so we did go see a doctor and found out that, you know, I had a problem that, you know, made it so that we couldn't have our own children, and so then we had to make a decision about, you know, the family that we're gonna have. So then [sigh] we, when we're in Minnesota, we started going to [pause]. They were giving talks about adoptions and, uh, there's again another very famous man in our life who was in Minnesota and he was giving things about adoptions; that was very interesting, and so we went to a couple of courses given by him or somebody with him, or something like that, [clears throat] and, uh, and this was the time when [pause] people who adopted adopted children of their same race, you know, they weren't going across racial barriers and things like that, and, you know, the adoption person would get to know you, you know, they would try to find somebody that was same as you as something same to you, and that was the right person to adopt. Well, just at this particular time, the adoption rules was beginning to change, and uh, people were starting to cross barriers of race, for instance, and uh, and so we were started attending these courses and people and trying to learn about adoptions and [pause] we, that was started in Minnesota, and we came to Oregon and we found out about the Holt Adoption Agency in, in Eugene area; it's a little town south of Eugene. And, um, and what was his name? Uh, uh, the Holt? Harry Holt. 2 [EU] [At same time as EM] Holt, Harry Holt. [EM] And, and, we heard about Harry Holt and we were blow out by his story, this lumberman well-to-do wealthy lumberman, and he was retiring from his work and he said that he was going to travel around the world to see what the world was about, and he never, and his story was, I remember, was he had never been out of the state of Oregon. I'm not too sure that's right but that's what I remember. That he was never out of the state of Oregon, so then he started travelling around, and he went to Korea and was this when the Korean War was still going on? Or had ended? Or something like this. So then he would go around and, and uh, what Seoul, Korea? Yeah, I think it was Seoul, Korea, and, and then he started seeing these children on the streets, and, and he started seeing children of mixed races, Black and Korean, White and Korean, and these kids were street-kids, and he started finding out that lotta Korean women were getting impregnated by American military people. And then, when the kids were born, the kids were suffered from racial prejudice from the Koreans, strongly suffering from prejudice from the Koreans. [clears throat] So here were these kids, born of this, you know, of a, of a war, which is horrible human experience, and then they have to learn to suffer the rest of their lives, and so Harry Holt [pause] decides he's going to [pause] I think he six or seven or eight children? So here's this Caucasian man who's never been outta the state of Oregon [laugh] and then he takes these children, and he works it out with the government he brings them back to Eugene, or to Holt, I mean to the, to that little town south of Eugene. [05:26] [EM] And, and then he becomes start and becomes known for it, and then other people, then it starts bringing out these human beings that give you a hope on the Earth of what who we really are. And, and, and, and these are the people who said "Hey, I want to adopt this child too." They didn't have any racial problems. "I wanna help these children!" So then it opens the doors to this human beings that we need to survive and they started, so he creates the Holt Adoption Agency, and so then, [pause] we're anti-Vietnam war, and we want to, oh no no still the Vietnam War going? No, no, no, still Korean War time because this was in the 60s, yeah the 60s, and uh, so we decide that we're going to adopt a Korean child, so we went to the Holt Adoption Agency. That's how we got our first child. And, and she was a, and they gave us a picture of her, and the history of her was that she was put in a basket and then she was put on the doorstep of the Holt Adoption Agency, so when Holt opened the door in the morning, there was Ok-Soon Jeong (sp?) sitting in this basket. And, and, so when we decided we were going to adopt, they sent us a picture of Ok-Soon Jeong, and we said "Yeah" and so we got this one-year-old child, and um, and they send her to the airport in Portland and we went down there and picked her up. [EU] Picked her up [EM] Yeah. And then I have a picture of, of Mary holding Ok-Soon Jeong, and here's this one-year-old little girl, or was she 13, 14 months, and she's got this look on her face like…"Who's that?" [laughs] [EU] Who's that, yeah. [During EM laugh] 3 [EM] Did I realize that at one year old, you already, as a human being, you know, really want the person that you know who it is. [EU] Yeah. [EM] You know. And so that's a monumental picture to me [laughs] "who the hell is that?" [laughs] [EU] Yeah, yeah. [EM] So anyway, that was our first child. [EU] And you named her Kimiko (sp?)? [EM] Yeah, and we named her, we, I didn��t wanna keep Ok-Soon Jeong, so I decided we would name her Kimiko. [EU] Kimiko. [EM] And that was our first child. And she was our gift to us. [EU] Mmhmm. And that was in 19… [EM] ‘68. [EU] ‘68. [EM] Yeah. [EU] Okay, so. [EM] Now, should I go to number one, number two? [EU] Yeah, number two, Okay. [EM] [laugh] So anyway, so we're having a wonderful time, and, uh, and then we started finding out about other people through the Holt Adoption Agency. White people, not Orientals, not Blacks, only White people, [laugh] who were crossing racial barriers and adopting children. And that was fascinating to me, that, that that's stage of my life I found out, I mean it isn't that way anymore, I found out at that particular period in history, the only people, and I think this is correct, it wasn't my personal experience, the only people that were adopting international and interracial were Caucasians, that was a fascinating thing to me again. So anyway, we decided to form an adoption agency up in Newport, and uh, and so we, there were three Caucasian families, and we got together and we formed the Holt, I mean uh, Planned Adoption Agency, which is 4 now in McMinnville, but it was formed right in this living room right here. And uh, [clears throat] the only reason we could form it was because of the other three families, they were non-college educated people, and uh, no, some of them were college-age and some weren't, but none of them had they had to have somebody who had a social work degree or something like that, and Mary's the one who had her Master Degree in social work, and because her Master's Degree in social work, we were able to form an adoption agency. They state allowed us because of that. So that's when we formed the Planned Adoption Agency. And uh, and then, and, and, and the Planned Adoption Agency was formulated because at that time, the Vietnam War was going on, and um, and again, just like this Iraq war, it was just chaos to the human lives and human beings and innocent human beings. I mean, they were getting killed, and they were being ahhh I mean it was just wars are ugly and innocent people suffer because of it and, and we were, we had no right to be in that country doing what we were doing. [10:41] [EM] So anyway, we, they're, they're bringing these children back and, and now we're very actively involved in, in the anti-war movement, but then the doors opened when they were starting bringing children back. And, and so, [pause] they were trying now, it was getting close to, you know, April of 1975, although we formed this year a year before that or something like that, I can't remember exactly when that was, but now we were working hard to try to find families who were interested in adopting children being brought back from Vietnam. You know, like Harry Holt was doing in the Korean War, and, so, through the Holt Adoption Agency, we started making contacts with people all over the state of Oregon, who would be interested in adopting these children, and then because of Mary's social work degree, she was doing home studies, hundreds of home, um many home studies, about, so they could adopt these children. And, and that was the movement, and then, so then [sigh] in April of ‘75, we get a contact and they're saying, uh, but first of all, we were going to adopt a couple of children from one of those countries around there, wasn't Lebanon, it was, uh, Thailand or something like one of those countries. And, uh, so we're thinking about it, and then all of a sudden we get a call and they said "Well we're bringing these two children from, from Vietnam, and they're coming to Denver sometime this weekend, and we have to find a home for them, and we were wondering if you and Ed would adopt these two children" and, and, I says "well, what about them, what about them?" Says "well, we're not too sure about their ages, but the girl, is a brother and sister, and the girl is ten years old and the brother is nine years old, and, and because of being nine and ten we're having hard time finding home for them. Would you consider it?" And so we said "well, [sigh] when do you need to have an answer, we've got to think about this." They says "well, we'll call you tomorrow." [EU] Yeah, oh boy. [EM] [sigh] So Mary and I make a decision that we're going to adopt Huong (sp?) and Muong (sp?) and we already had Isaac, and we had Kimi, you know, because Isaac came in 1972, and so then, on Wednesday we call them and say "yes" and then on Saturday, they show up in Portland. And so Huong and Muong came into our lives. But, I skipped Isaac, should I? 5 [EU] Yeah, yeah [EM] You want Isaac? Okay. [EU] Yeah, we skipped Isaac. [EM] Okay, well, [clears throat] so then we had, we had Huong, I mean uh, uh, uh Kimiko, and uh, then we were ready to adopt, and I found out another interesting experience, personal experience, about who we are as human beings, who I am as a human being, and, uh, so one day we get a call, and they said "well, we have this boy here, and he's in Portland, and, you know, we're trying to find a, he's a baby, and we wanna find a home for him" and so they said "well, we'll send you some information." So, we get this information and here's this little boy, I can't remember what his name was at the time, but he's, his mother was a 15-year-old Caucasian gal and her father, no they weren't married, impregnated was a 16-year-old black kid. And, and the, mother and father, white mother and father, just absolutely couldn't deal with adopting this kid, so they're putting him for adoption and they said "So, would you and he's living now being raised by this black woman, he's four months old now. We're trying to find a home for him, so would you consider adopting him?" [15:20] [EM] So we thought about that for a while, and we were very active in the Planned Adoption Agency by this time, and so we decided to go visit him and then saw him and then Mary especially just fell in love with him, so we adopt him, and he comes home, and, and then here's the story I love to tell. At my age, I not be embarrassed by it anymore, I can tell this story ‘cause it was a picture to myself of who I was, and, um, so anyway, we have and I can't again all this timewise, you know, it's just hard to remember that far back, but I think we had him for about 2-3-4 months, something like that. He's crawling around on the floor, you know, and right in this living room, and one day I'm sitting here and he's sitting over there and he's looking at me, and he had and this is a kind of like the expression on his face: [pause] [laugh] And I'm lookin', and, and, and the expression on his face "Who the hell is that?" And then when he looks at me with that look, it suddenly hits me that I have never touched him. [EU] Oh, yeah. [EM] It, and, and it practically shocks me because all of a sudden I am hit with this true realization that who's got the racial problem in this family? My Caucasian wife or this Japanese guy who was in a concentration camp? [EU] Yeah. [EM] And I suddenly realized that I never touched him because unconsciously, he was a black, he was a black kid, well, half-black, half-white, but then as soon as that realization came, it was overcome. And then after that, it was all over with. But, it's a fascinating story to me, too, that that's who we are, and that's who I am too. And I have to constantly work on myself as a human 6 being, you know, too because, you know, I have characteristics that I detest, you know, and other people too, see? So anyway [laughs] he was number two. [EU] Mmhmm. And did [EM] And so, so [EU] Did you give him the name "Isaac" then? [EM] Well, um, Mary did, yeah. [EU] Mary did. [EM] Yes, she picked, yeah, she, and then there's, um, a meaning to Isaac. I can't remember she always says it's so-and-so, but, that's why she gave him because as Isaac got older, he looked at her and says "why the hell did you name me Isaac?" [laugh] [EU] [laugh] [EM] [laugh] [EU] Yeah. [EM] So, anyway, then, then, you know, we were ha have just this incredibly happy family, you know, and, and doing all the things that our conscious tells, it's who you know, and bringing children from overseas, and then Huong and Muong come into our lives. And then I find out about [pause, sigh] the next step of human behavior. You know. And how, [sigh] what Huong had to go through, and [pause] when Muong came into this family, and, and he saw Isaac, and he couldn't believe that Isaac was his brother, because he was part of that Vietnamese people that hated black people. And, and so, he just couldn't believe that he had this half-black half-white. Yeah yeah, yeah that Keith hadn't come yet, so it was only, he couldn't believe he had this half-black half-white kid that was his brother, and then, and then Huong's story comes out, and Huong, you know, was just [pause] she's in, in, in another world, knowing that she's a part of this, you know, she suffered on the street, you know, and, and, and her mother that's working with her, you know, says "Well I'm gonna be gone for a few days" and the mother disappears. And, and because she's has to survive by being a prostitute, and Huong doesn't really know this? And she comes back, you know, and Huong's living on the street to survive, and, uh, so, she comes to this family, and she can hardly believe, you know, what's going on, that she's a part of, and then, and then she would go into deep depression. And she'd put herself in that closet. And she'd be in that closet for 16 hours at a time sometimes, you know. And she's sobbing in there, and, and, and [pause] she got out of there just in time before [pause] she was still too young to be sexually abused, I think. But her mother had to survive as a prostitute, things like that. And then that's where that story comes in where I was telling you about, you know, so should I quickly tell that story? 7 [EU] Yeah, yeah [20:43] [EM] Okay, well, so, one day, well one day the observation comes to me, that the family is in this room together, and then pretty soon somebody leaves, and pretty soon another leaves, pretty soon somebody leaves, and pretty soon the only two people in this room are Huong and myself, and then Huong immediately, soon as that happens, she gets up and disappears. She does this over and over again, so, I don't quite know what's going on, it doesn't mean anything necessarily. [clears throat] Then one day, and this was after, how long was it, a year? I don't know. Something like that. We're up in the Portland area with the family, and then we're doing family activities up there and then I had to come back to do my architectural work, so I'm gonna get in the van, and I'm gonna come back here, and then all of a sudden Huong says "Dad? Can I come back home with you?" I says "Sure, sure." So she gets in the car, and I'm driving in this car, and something hits my head and I don't quite understand it, you know. I think "what's going on, something weird is hitting me, I don't understand what's going on." And all of a sudden, a thought hits to me, that I've had this girl for 12 months or 15 months or whatever it was, and I have never been alone with her. And [sigh] so I don't quite know what to make of all this, so we come home, and we're together, and then a few days later everybody comes home, and for the first time in my life, in 1976 or whatever it was, I discover that there's sexual abuse of children, and uh, how did I find out that she was sexually abused or whatever it was? I don't really know, but it's a next human shock that I go through, that human-grown men have sex with children. I just couldn't believe it, and uh, and of course [sigh] the fact that she had learned to accept me made me realize that I'm, I guess I'm a decent guy. Though, that's a great reward for me. So anyway, that was a, a very important story for me, in terms of Huong, you know, and, uh, and and then Muong, you know, he, now he has a black brother, so I'm learning more and more about the human thing, and then [clears throat] in 1976, we're very actively involved in the adoption world, as of always, and, uh, we get a call, and, um, Planned Adoption Agency that's what it was, I was in the Planned Adoption Agency, oh no no no no, this wasn't that one. That's the next one. [laugh] Try to get all this stuff straight. They do call us, and they said that, um, there is a, a black kid that, in Cincinnati, and he's seven years old, and they wanted to know if we would adopt him. So, we talked it all over in the family, including, you know, Huong and Muong, and Isaac, and Kimi, and, uh, we make a discussion about adopting Keith from Cincinnati, so we answer back "Yeah, we'll adopt Keith." So, then they bring Keith down, and, uh, and here's this seven-year-old black kid, and, and, he's, he's, he's walking this high up off the ground. [24:48] [EM] And, and so, uh, a Caucasian social worker comes down with him, and, and helps deliver him here, and then she comes to this house to stay with Keith because they're gonna have Keith stay here for a few days or a week or whatever it was, because they wanted to let him make a decision as to whether he wanted to become a part of this family or not, and so we're all here, you know, and this social worker from Cincinnati's here, and so, the next morning, we're all outside, and I'm outside, and, uh, all of a sudden I hear this car racing into our driveway down on this gravel road. I mean, he's just racing in there, and this big pickup comes screeching to a 8 halt, and he jumps out and he sees me, and he comes running up to me, and he says "look at my windshield!" And there's this big crack on his windshield, and he says, and he looks around, and he says "that kid" and he points at Keith, "he threw a rock at my car, and he cracked my window" [laugh] So I'm just totally taken aback, this is the morning after we bring him back, and he says "Who the hell is that kid?" I said "well, he's over there. He, he, he's with" and then en this Caucasian guy looks over there and he sees Keith he says, and he sees Huong and Muong and Kimi and Isaac, and, and he's just absolutely taken aback. And so then he gets back into his van, I mean his pickup, and disappears. [EU] And that's it. [EM] [laughs] I said, yeah, I said, yeah, we just brought him here yesterday, and he believed me and he, you know, when he saw the family he was just so taken aback by what he saw that he just got in his car and disappeared. [EU] Yeah, yeah. [EM] So they were that was an interesting story of Keith. [EU] Yeah. [EM] And then, and then a few days later Keith decides that he wants to be a part of this family. [EU] So he stays, then, huh? [EM] And his story was that he was so abused; I just couldn't believe what he had gone through. His mother and father gave him up and then he's adopted by a black family. [cough] The black family, wasn't adopted, you know, it was just a, a home for him, so then he gets to be six years old, five years old, whatever, and then they take him down to this adoption place and they dump him off and he thinks it's his mother and father and then never sees him again. And so he crawls underneath the table close like this and he just disappears. Yeah, and then he's adopted by a black woman, and he has, um, what is that thing that calls it when you can't read, dys- [EU] Oh, dyslexia? [EM] Yeah, dyslexia. [EU] Ohhh. [EM] And, and they didn't even know that. So this black woman adopts him, and he can't read, so sh- what she does is, uh, she says "you can't r-, you read this" and he can't read it and so she pin- pokes him with a, a pin. With a pin! And so, you know, pretty soon, he, he's so miserable, you know, they have, they give up on him and they send him back to the adoption agency, and then they contact us and he comes out here. And he's just floating in, in air. 9 [EU] So he's happy to be here. [EM] Yeah, ‘cause he's so abused, you know, he just lost his family, and he went through horrible experiences. [EU] Yeah. [EM] So anyway, that's Keith's story. And then, uh [pause] uh he's, [pause] uh and I'll share this one funny story that I shared with you already, is that [clears throat] he, um, is a black kid, you know, and, and course my joke is that if he was my son, he would small but slow, but he's all black, and so he's got this lightning fast athletic ability of the black people [laughs]. So, he was a tremendous basketball player, and uh, and so he joins the Waldport High School basketball team, and he's playing a game in Monroe one night, and it was an important game because in order to qualify for the state playoffs, they had to win that game. So that's 50 miles away, so when he gets back it's around midnight, and I'm still doing architecture work, and all of a sudden I hear this car drive up, you know, car slams the door and disappears and all of a sudden I hear this footstep running in the house, and Keith comes running into the office and he's so excited, and he says "Dad, Dad!" He says, "there's something to tell you." And, uh, so I says "You won?" And he says "yeah, yeah, he says, but that isn't what I have to tell you." I said "oh, really?" He says "yeah." He says "well" I said "what is it?" He says "well, they was announcing the starting lineups and, and they said ‘starting at small forward for Waldport, Keith Miyakawa!'" So Keith says "I go running out on this floor, and all of a sudden this white guy stands up and he says real loud: ‘He doesn't look Japanese!'" [EU] [laughs] [EM] [laughs] So he was so excited to tell me that story [laughs]. [EU] Yeah, he was, that's great, yeah. [30:50] [EM] So anyway, that's, that's Keith, and he was the, the, the fifth child, and we're still active in the adoption world, and uh, [clears throat] and so I'm on the Board of Directors of the Planned Adoption Agency, and uh, I was on the Board of Directors for about ten years and I was the President of the Board for a couple of years, and then one day, uh, I go up there, and somebody shoves a paper in my hand, and, and there's a picture of a, of an Indian girl, and they said, "you know we're, we're having a hard, she's uh 12 years old, and we're having a hard time finding a home for this Indian girl, and would you adopt her?" And, and I said "listen, if I adopt one more child, I'll become a physical abuser, "not a sexual abuser" a physical abuser. [EU] [laughs] [EM] So I said, no no nah, I can't handle that. And I literally said that, I said I, you know, I'm gonna be a physical abuser if I adopt another child. And so then, I go up the next month, and 10 they show me a picture of her again, and the next month another picture. So then finally I decided to "Well I'll take a picture home of her" so I take it bring it home and then we show all these and everybody looks over it and everyone in the family says, "We're going to adopt her." [EU] Yeah. [EM] So then we go back, and, and and uh, and then Kanka (sp?) becomes a part of our life, our, a part of our lives, and uh, bring her back, and um, and she's just gone through hell. She's was given up at birth, was it birth? By her mother. Oh no, and, and [pause] and then some other mother, family adopts her, but only as a servant, so then she becomes a servant in the family, and uh, and then one day she goes out and, this is in Calcutta, and she gets lost, and then they don't find her or don't want to find her or something, so they, so the officials pick her up and they put her into this women's, it was a women's prison or something. So the next three years, or several years, or five years, or whatever it was, she was raised in this women's prison. And, uh, so she, so that's her world. That's the world she lives in, and you know, she's got lice all over her hair, and she's got, uh, what do they call those things that live in your intestines? [EU] Oh, tapeworms? [EM] Yeah, tapeworms, yes, tapeworms, in there, and, and then she had polio, or something like that, and every once in a while a polio attack would hit her, and so they brought her back, and they wanted to find a home for her, and they wanted to know if we would take her, and so we took her, and had to make sure we didn't get any lice from her, and all that sort of stuff, and brought her back to a world, yeah. [EU] And that was huh, yeah. [34:11] [EM] And then, and then, uh, a funny story was this one about was it Huong or Kanka? [laughs] I think it was Huong. Huong, one day when Huong comes, we're out in the yard, and all of a sudden I hear this screaming, yelling sound. It wasn't a pain screaming, yelling, but it's kind of a screaming, yelling, and so, "What the hell's going on out there?" and I go out there, and, and I don't know, no I didn't go out there. Was I told of about it? Cause I never saw them, but she's, you know, excavating out there, and, and, and, and Huong didn���t know about tapeworms, [laughs] and so she sees this tapeworm coming out of her [laughs]. [EU] Oh no! [laughs] [EM] [laughs] And so this was what that screaming was out there. [EU] Oh boy. [EM] But these are these amazing stories of human stories of, you know, what we human beings are about, what we go through, you know, and it's just why you know these stories are just absolutely amazing stories to me. But anyway, Kanka had all that stuff, and she would just get 11 into, you know, a, a, a sickness fit, you know, when this malaria hit her, and stuff like that, and cured her of all that. Yeah. [pause] They were all very happy to be Miyakawas. [EU] Yeah, and so, and they all live, you know, in Oregon, still. [EM] Yeah. Yeah, except for Isaac, he lives in Washington, yeah. [EU] Oh, in Washington. [EM] The architect guy. [EU] Okay. So Isaac became an architect? [EM] Yes, but he's not, you know it, none of my children went to college. They're all High School graduates. [EU] Okay. [EM] And, and why that happened, I'm not quite sure. [laugh] [EU] [laugh] [EM] But maybe it's because we couldn't afford it, or something, or other. You know, but, but they're all very highly intelligent kids, you know? I mean, we human beings are very intelligent, you know. We got this incredible brain, you know, and it's just how it's used. But anyway, they're very, very, very wonderful children, you know, and we are a very, very happy family, and, but, you know, periods of life, when as you're growing up, you know, whether you're Muong, the Vietnamese guy, and whether you're Huong, you know, you're going through so much and, you know, you can't stand the family anymore, and then you leave, you know, and then you come back, and, an-and then, but as you get older, you know, you analyze whether you come from the sick evil family or whether you really do come from a good family, just fight all the turmoil in it, you know you make that decision, and, you know, I had no idea what kind of decisions they were gonna make. They might all decide that, you know, we're a sick, weird family, and then they don't ever anything want to do with us again. They all love to be together, so I thought "gah, we musta done an Okay job!" [laughs] [EU] Yeah. And you have how many grandchildren do you have then? [EM] Well, each, um, my Korean daughter, has a daughter that's, uh, I think four years old. My, uh, Vietnamese daughter has a ten-year-old daughter, and uh, [pause] my Isaac Miyakawa has a Caucasian wife, and they have a two-year-old daughter, and then my Indian daughter has a son from a Caucasian marriage that broke up, and then has another son with a Caucasian husband that she has now. So, two boys that are half-Indian and half-white, and then, you know, Korean, and Vietnamese, and Caucasian and black. Beautiful children. 12 [EU] Yeah. [EM] Yeah. Beautiful parents. [EU] Yeah. [pause] Okay, I think we'll stop part five here. [end 38:28] |
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